05.23.07 7.12 Patch (May 31st)

[Marri]

damn krauser is trash now... i guess i'm going to have to work on snake then.

No Snakey!  You know we can get your bases up and Shadow/Arc doesn't even need to be healed much   Lexi is maxed now so I have to work on her bases anyway so we can always 3 man.  Hey wait- your not registered anyway *bites*

I got my Prizzy's HP to 32k equiped now so hopefully this  gay nerf wont really affect her much at all
-.- 
I actually saw a AB15 (or 18 I can't remember) Prizard drop all her equipment and quit DA, I know it wont effect KRU's 'caring' much so all we can do is move on and get over it.  I won't be on DA as much because the things they are doing are assinine but I still think Weists should now have 10 line Fas..... 

i have never really complained seeing as the only char i can really get into playing in priest and rogue.

Just don't combine the 2 and make a progue...archers have had to give up the Holy Diana-Doh Nerf-  Amusing

[Marri]

I don't see a huge problem with the prizard "nerf". It's just a small delay between healing yourself. Pure wizzies already run the risk of solo hunting with 100 HP, this is a good little addition in my opinion. I suppose that it's just that people are too spoiled now or don't have patience. It isn't that big of a deal if your character isn't a total piece of nothing.

Are you a Prizard?

[Saher513]

Amusing. did not know kru had that many games out. and i will never make a progue. think its pointless honestly. riest ftw!!! Amusing.

[Khiash]

@Marri: My war is Reyals ingame, but you're best off looking for my alts xSorenx, Hallation, and everyone knows Khiash.
@Sevin: Point taken, but I personally don't think they're gonna make a pure-only skill into an all-people skill

[sevin; destroyer of worlds]

yeah i know they probably would never do that, but it was just an example. i can think of a few things that kru can do to make pure warriors obsolete, well not obsolete, but the second choice over sub warriors.

[Shadow Link]

I don't see a huge problem with the prizard "nerf". It's just a small delay between healing yourself. Pure wizzies already run the risk of solo hunting with 100 HP, this is a good little addition in my opinion. I suppose that it's just that people are too spoiled now or don't have patience. It isn't that big of a deal if your character isn't a total piece of nothing.

Are you a Prizard?

It doesn't make a difference, but no. Prizards are seen as a soloing class by Kru (seriously, why else would they do this?). All it is, is that you're too used to instant heal and maybe lack patience. I know it's hard, but prizards overpower a lot of classes. The only thing that happened in this update is exactly what people wanted, classes to be equal or at least be closer to that. They powered down the most powerful one, and strengthened the bad ones (rogue and monk, I mean don't you see enough complaints about them?).

[Marri]

@Marri: My war is Reyals ingame, but you're best off looking for my alts xSorenx, Hallation, and everyone knows Khiash.

Sounds good to me, Was thinking SW if you are up for it, ya just have to remember when we hunt there are times I can't heal.  I want to hit 40k HP so I can hunt as long as you want    If you have PF and don't like SW we could always hit CR. If you see me on feel free to whisper, my alt is Tariya

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It doesn't make a difference, but no. Prizards are seen as a soloing class by Kru (seriously, why else would they do this?). All it is, is that you're too used to instant heal and maybe lack patience.

Why yes, that would make ALL the difference...if you aren't a prizard your opinion means squat. No offense but tired of hearing bashers complain about prizards, a path they do not  play and obviously don't understand. 
It is not a matter of patience or laziness, it is a matter of keeping your group alive if you are the only healer in group hunting in lets say for instance SW.   Patience is irrelevant, and 1 line heal is not instant.  With the rate of failure of dion a lower prizard trying to hunt in a 2 man group it leads to both people skulling, especially if it IS a Warrior they choose to hunt with.  I can say from actual experience (and not just an 'opinion') that even I have caught myself skulling due to multiple dion and fas spor failure and I have 32k HP.  Creatures tend to go straight for the wizard and if your next comment is going to be "my character must be a  total piece of nothing." you are incorrect- feel free to ask anyone I have ever hunted with.  I apologize if this post seems rude but from your implications in your last sentence, I feel it was necessary.

I understand that they needed to do something to stop Prizards from soloing and overpowering but they should have at least allowed mic or ioc com to be cast.  That would prevent Prizards from 'soloing' so easy, which is what you bashers and weists whined about- yet still make them an effective caster in experience hunts where they are the only caster.   End of story.  End of post.  End of my 'debate' on this matter.


*edit- made it sound less rude*

[Khiash]

I played a priz for a week, do I count?

[Shadow Link]

I understand where you're pointing, and it's ok, I took no offense. In fact, that response was exactly what I was expecting. But you see, Kru sees that Prizards are solo-only. If you think about it, Pure wizards alone can solo highly efficiently in most areas (that is if you're not a total moron). Prizards had the option of heal added to that already-great character. And, since this cool down only affects healing spell, you're still able to dion. If you're hunting with semi-decent people (I don't see why you wouldn't), 15 seconds is good enough for them to survive. Here is what will happen as a result of this change:

- People will be less encouraged to round up a mob because of that 15 second pause. If the bashers skull, they still have 20 seconds. So 5 seconds for the priz to get there might not be enough time.
- Pure Priests will get more hunts because of this great "fear".
- Same applies to pure archers, because of the new "red" arrow skill they got. (I forgot the name)
- Pure Druids *MIGHT* just get a few more hunts because of their new skills. They'd be less reliant of the heal since they can kill a little faster. (But seriously, any spelled monster can't take more than 15 SECONDS to kill).
- Prizzes will seek out the punneag spiorad spells.
- Bigger groups will be encouraged. (Maybe 2 bashers now instead of your normal 2-man group. Oh boohoo, 3-man is too big!)
- (And just so that Khiash doesn't get witty) People will complain.

My only advice is to conjure up a bit of patience and keep a calm state of mind when hunting. I'm trying to not sound rude here also, but prizzes just seem a bit spoiled with what they had before. There was literally no chance to ever die as one even if your stats or hp/mp totally got messed up and sucked. I'm not saying they were powerful, rather, they were too easy to use.

[Marri]

I played a priz for a week, do I count?

Khiash you are too cute 
If it was a week and a half..maybe...just kidding

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I think you may have been reading too much PDA- there really isn't much of an audience here for all your sarcasm but I wont be baited.  With failure rate of everything and 1 line heal/dion Priz is (nor was) not as easy as you may think.  Seriously though, you discussing prizards is like me discussing Monk class.  I don't have one (although I love hunting with them, what talent it must take to master the art of that path!)  so I would be generally just babble if I tried.  If you ever make your own little prizard so you can make statements from actual experience not by basher mentality and I would be more than happy to value your opinion on the subject.

Whereas most people have complaints about their own class based on their experiences playing the class I find it pretty ironic that the biggest complainers of 'the other classes' tend to be  over powered Warriors....shocker   ...
See you in 5-6 months when Warriors begin to think Weists are now 'overpowered' and cry to have them nerfed too.  but then, they may not cry too much since weists are dependant on them.

I am very glad they added stuff to monks looking at people talking about the new skills they seem useful.  I can't wait to hunt with a monk, since the update I haven't hunted with one yet :O

The redding skill is life arrow and was pretty useless until they made Volley.  Before volley it really only gave you 20 extra seconds to get over to the skulled person because once you used it they would auto skull again cause creatures tend not to give up bashing on a corpse    
Mass redding may prove to be useful in AB hunting in places like Mines and canals, but who knows- only time will tell.  I never had much of a problem getting exp hunts on my archer- but ABing is a &*%$

As for bigger groups being encouraged though I dont think much of a change will occur- Since the update- daily when I am on my pure priest I now am spammed at least 5 or 6 times within minutes "Weist?"  and always by a warrior.  I like 3 manning personally, if you know me you know one of my mottos has always been - 2 bashers is better than 1 (and safer regardless of update). 

Really I just like hunting...ALL the time.  Doesn't matter what character as long as I am killing stoof

[Snake]

As long as the basher doesn't miss his PF then it doesn't really change anything.

THE END


To Khiash;

You had a Prizard for a week? Why didn't you ever tell me?

s                                                          WUB SNAKEYPOOPIE! Shup.!

[Marri]

Yah but wouldn't it be interesting if they made PF fail like Wizard/Rogue/Preist/Monk skills do?
Would make hunts more challenging 

Snakey!! Come back! You know you miss us

[sevin; destroyer of worlds]

um i have PF and sometimes it doesnt hit a whole mob, and lastly, "fear is the mind killer"-Paul Atreides" anyone who can tell me what thats from gets a cookie, and anyone who is under 18 who gets it right used google and gets a smack. iv found that in situations like soloing GF, or kas, and you get suianed + poisoned, and you are getting wailed on. just take a deep breathe and relax. generally i walk away from most of those situations ::kisses his asgall faileas::

[Marri]

Holy Cow! Was that a flash back of Dune I hear?  Sevin you rock!  *Gives you a dozen cookies and some cheese for just making the reference*

I don't think I have ever seen Maxed PF 'Miss' any creatures that are on screen unless the creature is technically off the warriors screen or a spawn occurs.  I am just talking on observation, I have hunted alot with them in large groups (mines, canals, FC) and in 3 man groups with Shadow but there is so much about the warrior path I don't know so I may pick your brain more on occassion if you don't object 

  and  I thought when PF is maxed it has a perfect sucess rate or darn near close?  My Warrior doesn't have PF yet but I hardly ever see it fail when hunting with Shadow (unless the person 'misses' the creature or person it is casting it on by them moving). 

An interesting nerf would still be if they made it like like other paths skills/spells do and not be closer to 75% effective when successfully cast.   Mind you I said interesting and not a good nerf...but when is a nerf ever good....

[Khiash]

@SL's long post: I'm trying to get people to STOP complaining. :/
@Snake: I was talking about your priz, Amusing.
@Sevin: I basically only use Rey's asgall for Kas (dracos when BS isn't on), pirates, and arena You shouldn't really get suained/poisoned that much anyways provided you have armor (MR) and you can always carry dibs to counteract poison.